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		<title>By: Hilobrow &#124; Middlebrow is not the solution</title>
		<link>http://hilobrow.com/2009/03/04/woolf-contra-middlebrow/comment-page-1/#comment-1175</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilobrow &#124; Middlebrow is not the solution</dc:creator>
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		<description>[...] he references Lynes&#8217; take-down of one of the earliest, most ferocious anti-middlebrows, Virginia Woolf: As the Harper&#8217;s Magazine editor Russell Lynes argued in his 1949 essay &#8220;Highbrow, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] he references Lynes&#8217; take-down of one of the earliest, most ferocious anti-middlebrows, Virginia Woolf: As the Harper&#8217;s Magazine editor Russell Lynes argued in his 1949 essay &#8220;Highbrow, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Hilobrow &#124; Middlebrow is not the solution</title>
		<link>http://hilobrow.com/2009/03/04/woolf-contra-middlebrow/comment-page-1/#comment-909</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilobrow &#124; Middlebrow is not the solution</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 13:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like Lawrence W. Levine, in the late 19th century a wedge was driven between High and Low. Virginia Woolf&#8217;s essay is a lament about this suddenly widening gap; unlike those intellectuals of her time who celebrated [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] like Lawrence W. Levine, in the late 19th century a wedge was driven between High and Low. Virginia Woolf&#8217;s essay is a lament about this suddenly widening gap; unlike those intellectuals of her time who celebrated [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a good point about snobs, Johnbax. But the middlebrow/middle-class - highbrow/upper-class conflation that defenders of middlebrow want to make (so they can leverage populist sentiment against wealthy elites, in their anti-anti-middlebrow campaign) falls apart on this point, among others: nobody is more snobbish, or obsessed with the minutiae of taste, than members of the keeping-up-with-the-Joneses, status-anxious middle classes. I&#039;ve been reading John Seabrook&#039;s &quot;Nobrow,&quot; and this one of the points that he fatally fails to grasp: if the pre-Tina Brown New Yorker drew a bright line between highbrow and lowbrow culture, that doesn&#039;t mean it was a highbrow publication! It was, in fact, a high middlebrow publication. 

Highbrow and Lowbrow are not extremist positions, and highbrows and lowbrows get along pretty well -- condescending to one another, perhaps, but affectionately. Woolf is right about this sort of thing, I think. Still, Woolf&#039;s her tripartite model is too simplistic, if not so simplistic as Van Wyck Brooks&#039; binary model. We&#039;re working on a much more complex model featuring Highbrow, Lowbrow, Anti-Highbrow, Anti-Lowbrow, High Middlebrow, Low Middlebrow, Nobrow (not John Seabrook&#039;s version), and of course the elusive ideal of Hilobrow. We posted Woolf&#039;s essay not because it expresses our own view, but merely as a historical reference.

Now, why can&#039;t you appear on the BBC and also complain about it? I&#039;ve never understood this rule. I&#039;m not the biggest Jonathan Franzen fan, but I thought it was crazy that he was pilloried for wanting to appear on &quot;Oprah&quot; while also expressing reservations about his non-middlebrow book being praised to the skies by an avatar of Low Middlebrow. This is middlebrow&#039;s omerta -- say nothing bad about the cultural marketplace!

You&#039;re wrong to suggest that today&#039;s newspapers -- at least papers like The New York Times or The Boston Globe -- are unbalanced. (If we were talking about English newspapers like the overtly liberal Guardian, yes, I&#039;d agree.) To say there&#039;s no difference between the way the Times covers a story and FOX News does is to be misguided. However, I agree with you that people in these politicized times want to read unbalanced news -- American liberals find the Guardian, and HuffPo, a source of delight when they&#039;re feeling anxious -- and this is surely contributing to the decline of the two papers I&#039;ve mentioned, among others.

Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments -- I hope I&#039;m not coming on too strong. You&#039;re helping me work out my own thinking about these topics...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a good point about snobs, Johnbax. But the middlebrow/middle-class &#8211; highbrow/upper-class conflation that defenders of middlebrow want to make (so they can leverage populist sentiment against wealthy elites, in their anti-anti-middlebrow campaign) falls apart on this point, among others: nobody is more snobbish, or obsessed with the minutiae of taste, than members of the keeping-up-with-the-Joneses, status-anxious middle classes. I&#8217;ve been reading John Seabrook&#8217;s &#8220;Nobrow,&#8221; and this one of the points that he fatally fails to grasp: if the pre-Tina Brown New Yorker drew a bright line between highbrow and lowbrow culture, that doesn&#8217;t mean it was a highbrow publication! It was, in fact, a high middlebrow publication. </p>
<p>Highbrow and Lowbrow are not extremist positions, and highbrows and lowbrows get along pretty well &#8212; condescending to one another, perhaps, but affectionately. Woolf is right about this sort of thing, I think. Still, Woolf&#8217;s her tripartite model is too simplistic, if not so simplistic as Van Wyck Brooks&#8217; binary model. We&#8217;re working on a much more complex model featuring Highbrow, Lowbrow, Anti-Highbrow, Anti-Lowbrow, High Middlebrow, Low Middlebrow, Nobrow (not John Seabrook&#8217;s version), and of course the elusive ideal of Hilobrow. We posted Woolf&#8217;s essay not because it expresses our own view, but merely as a historical reference.</p>
<p>Now, why can&#8217;t you appear on the BBC and also complain about it? I&#8217;ve never understood this rule. I&#8217;m not the biggest Jonathan Franzen fan, but I thought it was crazy that he was pilloried for wanting to appear on &#8220;Oprah&#8221; while also expressing reservations about his non-middlebrow book being praised to the skies by an avatar of Low Middlebrow. This is middlebrow&#8217;s omerta &#8212; say nothing bad about the cultural marketplace!</p>
<p>You&#8217;re wrong to suggest that today&#8217;s newspapers &#8212; at least papers like The New York Times or The Boston Globe &#8212; are unbalanced. (If we were talking about English newspapers like the overtly liberal Guardian, yes, I&#8217;d agree.) To say there&#8217;s no difference between the way the Times covers a story and FOX News does is to be misguided. However, I agree with you that people in these politicized times want to read unbalanced news &#8212; American liberals find the Guardian, and HuffPo, a source of delight when they&#8217;re feeling anxious &#8212; and this is surely contributing to the decline of the two papers I&#8217;ve mentioned, among others.</p>
<p>Thanks so much for your thoughtful comments &#8212; I hope I&#8217;m not coming on too strong. You&#8217;re helping me work out my own thinking about these topics&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Johnbax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnbax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 10:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is snobbish, though, with its references to red-brick villas and suburban gardens, and her remarks about Priestley&#039;s taste in interior decor.  Snobs rarely bother to look down on the lower orders: it&#039;s those immediately beneath them, the people in the middle, who get sneered at most, usually for not having quite the right tastes.  A contrast between the well-bred and the ill-bred seems to be at work here: Priestley may have made a lot of money but he lacks the breeding to know how to spend it properly.  (Actually, he bought a very nice house in Highgate which Coleridge used to live in). And her attitude to the lowbrows is surely rather condescending.  About the BBC, I was pointing out that VW and her friends appeared on it rather more regularly than most people, so she really had no reason to complain about it.  I don&#039;t know about &#039;balance&#039;, but if there&#039;s a spat going on between highbrow and middlebrow it seems reasonable for a monopoly broadcaster to give both sides.  If you want just one side, you could read the London Mercury or the Criterion.  Incidentally, I rather thought today&#039;s newspapers were unbalanced, but people who care about politics only read the paper which agrees with their views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is snobbish, though, with its references to red-brick villas and suburban gardens, and her remarks about Priestley&#8217;s taste in interior decor.  Snobs rarely bother to look down on the lower orders: it&#8217;s those immediately beneath them, the people in the middle, who get sneered at most, usually for not having quite the right tastes.  A contrast between the well-bred and the ill-bred seems to be at work here: Priestley may have made a lot of money but he lacks the breeding to know how to spend it properly.  (Actually, he bought a very nice house in Highgate which Coleridge used to live in). And her attitude to the lowbrows is surely rather condescending.  About the BBC, I was pointing out that VW and her friends appeared on it rather more regularly than most people, so she really had no reason to complain about it.  I don&#8217;t know about &#8216;balance&#8217;, but if there&#8217;s a spat going on between highbrow and middlebrow it seems reasonable for a monopoly broadcaster to give both sides.  If you want just one side, you could read the London Mercury or the Criterion.  Incidentally, I rather thought today&#8217;s newspapers were unbalanced, but people who care about politics only read the paper which agrees with their views.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 18:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Johnbax. Didn&#039;t know that Woolf was taking on Priestley, in this essay.

Woolf is very careful to distinguish her criticism from snobbery; in fact, she considers snobbery (though she doesn&#039;t use the word) to be middlebrow. I consider snobbery an Anti-Lowbrow thing, A-L being an extremist position that complements Highbrow... whether highbrow likes it or not (generally, I think, not). But that&#039;s another story. A snob looks down on lowbrows; Woolf insists again and again how much she admires and likes her lowbrow acquaintances. As noted in &lt;a href=&quot;http://hilobrow.com/2009/03/05/russell-lynes-defends-middlebrow/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a post we did on the pro-Middlebrow pitbull Russell Lynes&lt;/a&gt;, Middlebrow&#039;s first line of defense against its critics is always the same pseudo-populist attack: &quot;Only an elitist, a mandarin, would ever criticize Middlebrow.&quot; It&#039;s true that elitists and mandarins criticize Middlebrow; but they&#039;re not alone.

You say: &quot;As for the Betwixt and Between Company, they were not averse to broadcasting defences of the highbrow by Virginia&#039;s Bloomsbury friends, including Harold Nicolson and Leonard, as well as criticisms of it by the likes of Priestley.  If that makes the BBC middlebrow, so be it; I prefer to think of it as balanced.&quot; Balanced and middlebrow are not mutually exclusive! In fact, Middlebrow is all about balancing, having things both ways, the cozy dialectical synthesis, the win-win. As a former newspaper staffer, and someone who likes to read about the history of newspapers, I must confess to having some sympathy with those who suggest that they&#039;d like to see a return to the era of unbalanced newspapers — when an informed citizen would typically buy several newspapers, and sort out the conflicting claims for herself. I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s the policy of Hilobrow.com, but I do think that &quot;balanced&quot; middlebrow journalism is on its way out. For better or worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Johnbax. Didn&#8217;t know that Woolf was taking on Priestley, in this essay.</p>
<p>Woolf is very careful to distinguish her criticism from snobbery; in fact, she considers snobbery (though she doesn&#8217;t use the word) to be middlebrow. I consider snobbery an Anti-Lowbrow thing, A-L being an extremist position that complements Highbrow&#8230; whether highbrow likes it or not (generally, I think, not). But that&#8217;s another story. A snob looks down on lowbrows; Woolf insists again and again how much she admires and likes her lowbrow acquaintances. As noted in <a href="http://hilobrow.com/2009/03/05/russell-lynes-defends-middlebrow/" rel="nofollow">a post we did on the pro-Middlebrow pitbull Russell Lynes</a>, Middlebrow&#8217;s first line of defense against its critics is always the same pseudo-populist attack: &#8220;Only an elitist, a mandarin, would ever criticize Middlebrow.&#8221; It&#8217;s true that elitists and mandarins criticize Middlebrow; but they&#8217;re not alone.</p>
<p>You say: &#8220;As for the Betwixt and Between Company, they were not averse to broadcasting defences of the highbrow by Virginia&#8217;s Bloomsbury friends, including Harold Nicolson and Leonard, as well as criticisms of it by the likes of Priestley.  If that makes the BBC middlebrow, so be it; I prefer to think of it as balanced.&#8221; Balanced and middlebrow are not mutually exclusive! In fact, Middlebrow is all about balancing, having things both ways, the cozy dialectical synthesis, the win-win. As a former newspaper staffer, and someone who likes to read about the history of newspapers, I must confess to having some sympathy with those who suggest that they&#8217;d like to see a return to the era of unbalanced newspapers — when an informed citizen would typically buy several newspapers, and sort out the conflicting claims for herself. I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s the policy of Hilobrow.com, but I do think that &#8220;balanced&#8221; middlebrow journalism is on its way out. For better or worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Johnbax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johnbax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The title&#039;s only partly imaginary.  A lot of this piece is a coded personal attack on J B Priestley, rather nastily so in places, and the title of his latest novel was &#039;Faraway&#039;.  The piece is very well written but rather snobbish in tone, and its cultural politics need to be examined with caution (for example, she didn&#039;t need to make a living from her writing, so it&#039;s all very well her criticising those who did.  Should novels only be written by the well-to-do?) As for the Betwixt and Between Company, they were not averse to broadcasting defences of the highbrow by Virginia&#039;s Bloomsbury friends, including Harold Nicolson and Leonard, as well as criticisms of it by the likes of Priestley.  If that makes the BBC middlebrow, so be it; I prefer to think of it as balanced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title&#8217;s only partly imaginary.  A lot of this piece is a coded personal attack on J B Priestley, rather nastily so in places, and the title of his latest novel was &#8216;Faraway&#8217;.  The piece is very well written but rather snobbish in tone, and its cultural politics need to be examined with caution (for example, she didn&#8217;t need to make a living from her writing, so it&#8217;s all very well her criticising those who did.  Should novels only be written by the well-to-do?) As for the Betwixt and Between Company, they were not averse to broadcasting defences of the highbrow by Virginia&#8217;s Bloomsbury friends, including Harold Nicolson and Leonard, as well as criticisms of it by the likes of Priestley.  If that makes the BBC middlebrow, so be it; I prefer to think of it as balanced.</p>
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		<title>By: jglenn</title>
		<link>http://hilobrow.com/2009/03/04/woolf-contra-middlebrow/comment-page-1/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>jglenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it really is fabulous. I also like the title of that imaginary middlebrow novel, KEEPAWAY.</description>
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		<title>By: Matthew Battles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew Battles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Betwixt and Between Company--fabulous!</description>
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